"I no like you 'cause you don't agree!"

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2 September 2005 - 4:49pm

Karizma

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"I no like you 'cause you don't agree!"

So I talked to a friend after a while of silence (ie not speaking to him in a while) and the New Orleans thing comes up. Let me quote the convo:

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him: Yeah, now everyone's pissed at Bush
me: (thinking, Nobody I've talked to is...) Really?
him: Well, they should be [if they're not]
me: Why?
him: Because it's all his fault, people were stranded for three days without food or water!
me: So it's Bush's fault?
him: Well he's the president.
me: So? He's not a monarch, he doesn't have complete power over the United States. He is the leader of the Executive branch of the government.
him: Yeah, but he vetos many laws they try to pass.
me: And if they [b]really[/i] wanted them passed that badly they could overide the veto with a 2/3 vote.

I don't remember exactly the phrasing of the rest, but it comes out something like...

him: Well the Legislative branch isn't the one that sends the help.
me: And he's not the ONE responsible for sending help.
him: Yes he is, it's his job.

And this continues for about 5 minutes and the phone convorsation ends like...

him: I'm going to blame him, so just stop wasting your breath.
me: *sigh* fine, if you need a scapegoat that's alright with me.
him: I don't need a scapegoat-- whatever, I'll let you blame the Legislature.
me: I don't need to blame anybody. Shit happens. I don't need a scapegoat to cope.

...

him: See, this is why I don't like talking to you. You just piss me off.
me: I'm sorry[?]
him: ...
me: ...
him: bye (In a not-so-nice tone)
me: mm-kay (In a 'I can take a hint' tone)

*CLICK*

End of convorsation.

Right now I'm a little angered by it (more like pissed). So I would like to know: Anybody here have friends the same way? (Need to blame a powerful figurehead, get angry at you for your opinion, etc.)

/end_rant

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2 September 2005 - 5:22pm

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I tend to try to get rid of those people.. ie I don't talk to them if thats all that will happen.

Descartes is sitting in a bar, having a drink. The bartender asks him if he would like another. "I think not," he says, and vanishes in a puff of logic.

2 September 2005 - 5:27pm

Kaiox

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Everyone who is like that... I don't talk too since they can't talk any sense or listen to anything but what they think.

Best to just leave them alone.

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2 September 2005 - 5:30pm

Karizma

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Well, here's the small problem with that:

I) We go back a ways'
II) He's part of my RP group
III) He lives on my street
IV) It doesn't happen often, just whenever a semi-political convorsation arises (anything to do with driving, war, natural disasters as of now, historical figures, or any other thing that can be traced to The President of the United States)
V) If I wanted to get rid of him, I couldn't. If I outright said I didn't want to be friends with him, there would be friction for the rest of my life. I'm hoping things just get better... but I doubt that will ever happen.

*sigh* 'dunno what to do. :'(

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2 September 2005 - 5:34pm

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Cut yourself. I mean, if you've been friends for a long enough time, you can't exactly just stop. It will heal over time.

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2 September 2005 - 5:48pm

SickAndWretched

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regaurdless.. you can still get away from him if things get bad.. but yeah.. just stay away from those topics.. or just tell him that his opinions are stupid and he should shut up.. haha.

Descartes is sitting in a bar, having a drink. The bartender asks him if he would like another. "I think not," he says, and vanishes in a puff of logic.

2 September 2005 - 5:49pm

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Yeah, mate. I hate it when people ask you a question, but it might as well be rhetorical because if you don't say what they wanna hear they get the arse.

A sig should be here, but the oppressive tyranny that has its iron fist clenched around our liberty has denied me my god-given (I have not capitalised the word 'god' because let's be realistic: he doesn't exist!) free speech.

2 September 2005 - 7:25pm

Beanie once had...

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I love talking politics with friends.. mostly because I am right about 99.9999999999% of the time. at least.. I know what I'm saying so I sound like I know better, and because I can think before I speak.. It pisses some people and some think I am extreme in my ideas.. Those people aren't my friends.

The thing in Louisiana.. Well, you can't blame bush because the media gave the people plenty of time to get out. its their fault anyway because they CHOSE to live BELOW sea level. Shit Happens. BUT I'd say it is Bush's job to fix it. He IS the President of the United States of America. Tell your little friend to sit on it. well.. amyb that's a little mean.

2 September 2005 - 8:48pm

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well on topic of that.. I would say you're wrong.. it isn't his responsiblity.. its the people that live there responsiblity and the govener of LA and such

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2 September 2005 - 9:03pm

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The Omen

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For ONCE I think it's not Bush's fault. :lol:

2 September 2005 - 9:12pm

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Originally posted by The Omen@Sep 2 2005, 09:03 PM
For ONCE I think it's not Bush's fault. :lol:

[post=185167]Quoted post[/post]

TERRORIST :mad:

2 September 2005 - 9:58pm

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I don't have many friends that'd go to the point of saying 'I no liek tawkin 2 u cus u make me pissd" when it comes to a disagreement.

This could be because since I so love debating in general, I am usually able to convince the person to fall into a neutral standpoint.

I've never came across someone (in real life) that will actually face me thoroughly.

I can only await that day. Until then, I must be satisfied by serious debates on forums ;>

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3 September 2005 - 5:56am

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Yeah, mate. I hate it when people ask you a question, but it might as well be rhetorical because if you don't say what they wanna hear they get the arse.

I know exactly what you mean, NeoPhoenix.

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3 September 2005 - 6:04am

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Getting angry over political causes? ahaha Like it would change anything at all.

Here in Portugal we ALL think the same way, anything bad happens its the governments fault. And that's it.

Ex: Someone: Wow, did you know 4 people got shot last night on a firefight?
Someone2: Well, it's governments fault after all. They should do this and that.
Someone: You know what, you are right. Wanna go and drink a coffee? Portugal is gonna play Luxemburg this evening.

Or something like this.

3 September 2005 - 3:05pm

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Originally posted by Nuno@Sep 3 2005, 07:04 AM
Getting angry over political causes? ahaha Like it would change anything at all.

Here in Portugal we ALL think the same way, anything bad happens its the governments fault. And that's it.

Or something like this.

[post=185196]Quoted post[/post]

For some reason this doesn't surprise me at all.

3 September 2005 - 5:36pm

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Quote:

Originally posted by TheInquisitor@Sep 3 2005, 05:56 AM
I know exactly what you mean, NeoPhoenix.

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Oh my, that was pretty funny... Though me and NPX usually agree.. but we don't ever talk about anything political.

4 September 2005 - 3:42am

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Quote:

Originally posted by TheInquisitor@Sep 3 2005, 10:56 AM
I know exactly what you mean, NeoPhoenix.

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Very-fucking-funny .

Actually, Inq, I think I just pissed myself...

6 September 2005 - 1:16am

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Whoah, people who have different opinions than you will sometimes become irate and not shift their view or focus after light or heavy debate? Fascinating.

Friends don't ALWAYS have the exact same opinions, and if you two get in a bitchy fit over it, it's just as much of your fault as it is his. Be adults and live with it.

6 September 2005 - 7:22am

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Not Bush's fault. I mean, I'm no fan of the guy by any means... at all. I hate what he's done to this country, and jump at any chance to chastise him for anything he's done wrong, but come on, he didn't make that flood. And they did try to evacuate the city, but a lot of people stayed behind. Those people are now yelling because they're trapped. I believe the government is doing all it can right now, but it's not enough at this point.

6 September 2005 - 3:16pm

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Originally posted by The Hitman@Sep 6 2005, 07:22 AM
Not Bush's fault. I mean, I'm no fan of the guy by any means... at all. I hate what he's done to this country, and jump at any chance to chastise him for anything he's done wrong, but come on, he didn't make that flood. And they did try to evacuate the city, but a lot of people stayed behind. Those people are now yelling because they're trapped. I believe the government is doing all it can right now, but it's not enough at this point.

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What is that? You hate the stuff that BUSH has done? He's not done much wrong. If you think he is REALLY that bad.. we need to have a little talk.

7 September 2005 - 7:12am

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Originally posted by Kafen@Sep 6 2005, 03:16 PM
What is that? You hate the stuff that BUSH has done? He's not done much wrong. If you think he is REALLY that bad.. we need to have a little talk.

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Who attacked us? Afganistan. Where's the root of all this terrorism? Afganistan. Who did Bush say was going to pay for their actions? Afganistan. Where are we right now? Iraq. Bush is using this "War on Terrorism" to take out Saddam Husain because his dad couldn't when he was in office. Where's Osama? Where's Iraq's weapons of destruction? Is that enough talk?

7 September 2005 - 3:42pm

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Originally posted by The Hitman@Sep 7 2005, 07:12 AM
Who attacked us? Afganistan. Where's the root of all this terrorism? Afganistan. Who did Bush say was going to pay for their actions? Afganistan. Where are we right now? [b]Iraq. Bush is using this "War on Terrorism" to take out Saddam Husain because his dad couldn't when he was in office. Where's Osama? Where's Iraq's weapons of destruction? Is that enough talk?

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Bush is using this "War on Terrorism" to take out Saddam Husain because his dad couldn't when he was in office.

That's not why. That is like saying "Oh, well, we aren't going to worry about Hitler because we have a new president. That was the old president's project." If he is still in the wrong, then why SHOULDN'T we go in there? Hmm?

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Where's Osama?

In a cave

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Where's Iraq's weapons of destruction?

And what if there WAS 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'? Don't say "Oh, well, we shouldn't have gone in there because we didn't find any Nukes." That is a stupid opinion. Wouldn't you rather know that there aren't any than wonder if there could be? And besides, we wouldn't have gone in there if we didn't notice SOME suspicious activity. Tanker trucks in the middle of no where is a bit odd, wouldn't you think? Remember, our country has sattellite feeds coming in and jets flying over those areas. Again, we wouldn't have gone in without even a little suspicion.

Besides, it's not 100% Bush, either. There IS a whole other part of the government besieds the president that can override him (as far as laws that I know of). Think a little bit more.

9 September 2005 - 8:22am

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Originally posted by Kafen@Sep 7 2005, 03:42 PM
That's not why. That is like saying "Oh, well, we aren't going to worry about Hitler because we have a new president. That was the old president's project." If he is still in the wrong, then why [b]SHOULDN'T we go in there? Hmm?

In a cave

Besides, it's not 100% Bush, either. There IS a whole other part of the government besieds the president that can override him (as far as laws that I know of). Think a little bit more.

[post=185730]Quoted post[/post]

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That's two completely different situations. If you remember, we didn't join WWII until there was an attack on American soil. We didn't start it, we came in about halfway through. Don't say that 9/11 was our reason to invade Iraq, because Afganistan did that. Desert Storm is over. We didn't jump into the middle of a war this time. Saddam didn't do anything to us. He didn't have anything to use against us, except for a bunch of angry Iraqis. Now, I'm not saying he should be let free, because I know he did enough stuff to get him exicuted, I'm just saying we as a country diverted from our original plan to find Bin Laden and make him pay for what he did. That's why Bush messed up.

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In a cave

Well, I can't argue with that.

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And what if there [b]WAS 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'? Don't say "Oh, well, we shouldn't have gone in there because we didn't find any Nukes." That is a stupid opinion. Wouldn't you rather know that there aren't any than wonder if there could be? And besides, we wouldn't have gone in there if we didn't notice SOME suspicious activity. Tanker trucks in the middle of no where is a bit odd, wouldn't you think? Remember, our country has sattellite feeds coming in and jets flying over those areas. Again, we wouldn't have gone in without even a little suspicion.[/b]

Remember, we have Weapons of Mass Destruction as well. Now, by your logic, it would be the same thing as, say, England came over here and said, " Now, old chaps, I do believe you have dangerous stuff over here. We're going to have to throw some of you yankees into the brigg for this. Pip pip cheerio!" We know we weren't going to use them for harm, more of a deterrant factor to make other countries think twice about attacking us. But the rest of the world didn't. That may be the case with Iraq. We don't know. Nobody will ask, because Americans as a whole think they're right all the time. If it comes out that Saddam was going to use them, I'll retract my statement, but until then "Innocent until proven guilty."

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Besides, it's not 100% Bush, either. There IS a whole other part of the government besieds the president that can override him (as far as laws that I know of). Think a little bit more.

Yes, but when the other political bodies are filled with the same majority as the President, there's not going to be any overriding.

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