THE Guild Wars thread.

23 May 2005 - 3:52pm

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WOW > GUILD WARS

edit: die magi

23 May 2005 - 4:43pm

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Jakey

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World of Warcraft is the big sux. You know this. :v

23 May 2005 - 4:50pm

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Ricky-K

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I heard you don't have to pay monthly for Guild Wars, is that true?

I've always found MMORPG's to be quite fun but the monthly charges were a big big turn off for me.

23 May 2005 - 4:52pm

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Heh, I have just the right IRC quote for that question. :v

::04:21:: <TheOmen> Is it true? Is Guild Wars free?
::04:21:: <LegionareMaster> Yes
::04:21:: <TheOmen> Awesome.
::04:21:: <TheOmen> Only need to buy the CD then
::04:21:: <LegionareMaster> Thats why my parents didnt bitch about it when i wanted it
::04:21:: <Gon-X-Gon> duh, Guild War being free is taped everywhere on the net and you still wasn't sure?

23 May 2005 - 4:58pm

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Right, once the paycheck comes in I'm off to buy it.

So far as MMORPGs go, how good is it?

23 May 2005 - 5:46pm

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As far as MMORPGs go, everyone likes to claim that it is not an RPG, but instead an online PVP fest or something. Seems like an MMORPG to me though, and I like it. Add the fact that you don't have to pay monthly for it makes it all the better. As far as gameplay mechanics it seems to play about like World of Warcraft, if you need something to compare it to. But strip any MMO to it's core and you'll find everything to be similar. Click, kill, reward. Well, the whole slay monsters to level up aspect is more or less a very inefficient way to play, since they tend to not give much experience, and instead you rely on completing quests to get your experience and skills. One thing that it does to break away from the generic MMORPG mold is to put players in their own play fields, meaning you don't have to put up with kill stealers, item looters, or any other of the lames. Partied people will of corse be with you in this land. At times it makes the world seem lonely, but also allows the developers to use innovative ideas (for an MMORPG) with the world, such as interactive pieces.

Spoiler: Highlight to view

Or dropping a powder keg near a pile of snow, which explodes causing the snow to avalanche down a slope to reveal a secret passage.

. Also, unlike many MMORPGs, there is a backstory which is to a point followed with the quests.

You can take two routes with the game if you wish, first is to do the "roleplaying" aspect. In roleplaying you start at level 1, and work your way unlocking skills, runes, and pieces to upgrade weapons which are made available to you in the second aspect once unlocked. I heard the max level was 20, but you can still gain skill points and new skills. (Perhaps even attribution points?).

In the PVP aspect, well, your character will automatically be at the highest level, and can use anything you've unlocked in the roleplaying portion. This is what i've heard, not personal experience, so i'm not certain if this is true. We've yet to try it. :v

23 May 2005 - 6:03pm

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zumbum

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PSOBB 4 lief.

And pft liek mai pc wud run guld wars. For sooth.

23 May 2005 - 7:17pm

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Its not an MMORPG, its an Online RPG. Hence why they can get away without fees, the same way a game like Diablo II can, its not really that groundbreaking.

I really do want to try it, but my computer is teh crappy.

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23 May 2005 - 8:58pm

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I don't quite understand that angle. They still have to foot the fees just like any MMORPG since they run everything from their servers, without the option of you hosting your own. In fact, I see no reason whatsoever for it to not be an MMORPG, except MAYBE the fact all non-town areas are devoid of other players except those in your party.

24 May 2005 - 11:27am

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I'll play after friday. GW is cool.

24 May 2005 - 11:53am

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Ricky-K

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17 quid on Play.com.

I'm getting it as soon as I get paid.

24 May 2005 - 1:05pm

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Jakey

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Quote:

Originally posted by Maxy@May 24 2005, 11:27 AM
I'll play after friday. GW is cool.

[post=171741]Quoted post[/post]

And this comes from an ex-World of Warcraft player. :v

24 May 2005 - 8:48pm

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Originally posted by Jakey@May 24 2005, 02:05 PM
And this comes from an ex-world of borecraft player. :v

[post=171746]Quoted post[/post]

Oh, and that means 100% of the worlds population MUST believe Guild Wars is better.

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24 May 2005 - 8:59pm

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Originally posted by Lunar@May 24 2005, 05:48 PM
Oh, and that means 100% of the worlds population MUST believe Guild Wars is better.

[post=171789]Quoted post[/post]

... Well, yeah. Duh.

25 May 2005 - 12:30am

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Quote:

Originally posted by Magi@May 24 2005, 08:59 PM
... Well, yeah. Duh.

[post=171793]Quoted post[/post]

OWNED :v

25 May 2005 - 1:54pm

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BAM! I got Guild Wars!

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25 May 2005 - 2:11pm

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Jakey

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Excellence, what is your character name? :v

25 May 2005 - 2:25pm

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Curt

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Psylion Highwind.

Whats your SN? Last one I have is Dragonmaster Jakey, I believe. Or maybe zergspooge?

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25 May 2005 - 4:11pm

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Jakey

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I mentioned my character name in the first post. Heru Pale.

25 May 2005 - 5:05pm

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jakey+May 24 2005, 07:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jakey @ May 24 2005, 07:05 PM)[/CENTER]

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And this comes from an ex-World of Warcraft player. :v

[post=171746]Quoted post[/post]

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@May 25 2005, 02:48 AM
Oh, and that means 100% of the worlds population MUST believe Guild Wars is better.

[post=171789]Quoted post[/post]

Guild Wars is better. WoW is just a bad game, from a gameplay stand-point, just like all the others of a similar nature.

25 May 2005 - 8:17pm

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Why? Because it's a grind? And Guild Wars has no resemblance of this?

And from a game-play stand point, there is no doubt things that WoW has that GW does not. For instance, the limited skill system is stupid. It's not strategic, it just limits your class. 150 skills, but you can only use 8? Even if all 8 skills are incredibly useful and the perfect setup, I don't see the reason for such a harsh limit.

Also, I find strictly instanced gameplay gets boring. One of the reasons I play Online RPGs is because you are part of a world. You have friends and enemies that are around at all times. By making all PvE content instance, what competition is there? There is bonuses for making it instanced for sure, because you can create events that is just not possible in a seamless world (for example in WoW, ShadowFang Keep was one of the most memorable things I have done) but I also find it fun to wander around the world, exploring, doing random quests, and outwitting (or defeating) enemy players at nearly any point of the adventure.

PvP I'm not so sure about. I do think its an important part of an Online RPG, as it is the main source of competition in a genre that typically encourages cooperation. PvP WoW is quite drab at the moment, since there is no clear cut goals (some say class balance is also a problem, but theres enough complexities that I'm not going to bother trying to get into that arguement) They tried to give a goal to PvP with the Honor System, which is welcome but adds little. It's basically a grinding system which guises itself by giving ranks and special rewards (meaning in pretty much all regards the same as PvE). Hopefully Battlegrounds will provide the much needed purpose, or maybe Blizzard will wise up and make actual "Contested" territories that you can fight to control, rather than just areas where you can be ganked.
Since I don't know how well Guild Wars does PvP, I won't bother trying to make a comparasion.

The final reason (and pretty much the only one that matters) why I am playing WoW right now instead of Guild Wars is because it provides a massive experience for anyone, whether you play hardcore or casual, like to compete or cooperate, or if you like to solo or party. Also, I do believe that WoW has a suitable counter to GW's lack of monthly fees. WoW is easily the most system friendly MMORPG out right now. The cost of upgrading my computer to the GW specs can be the same as a good amount of monthly fees.

Sorry to go off on a pretty pointless rant and derail the topic a bit, but theres no reason for everyone to go on acting like WoW is terrible just because they like Guild Wars better. WoW has merits just as I'm sure Guild Wars has its own. Besides, I'm just distracting myself from this stupid english assignment I'm supposed to be doing =p

Also, since I did finally get a fricken job, this definately is a game I would like to try. So maybe I'm just a raving idiot and end up joining you guys soon

I broke my Last.fm profile ;_;

25 May 2005 - 8:40pm

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Quote:

And from a game-play stand point, there is no doubt things that WoW has that GW does not. For instance, the limited skill system is stupid. It's not strategic, it just limits your class. 150 skills, but you can only use 8? Even if all 8 skills are incredibly useful and the perfect setup, I don't see the reason for such a harsh limit.

Well, actually you can use all 150 skills. You can only take eight with you per mission. It's a strategic device that really forces you to plan what to bring with you and furthers the uniqueness of each player. Few players are always carrying the same skill at a single time.

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Also, I find strictly instanced gameplay gets boring. One of the reasons I play Online RPGs is because you are part of a world. You have friends and enemies that are around at all times. By making all PvE content instance, what competition is there? There is bonuses for making it instanced for sure, because you can create events that is just not possible in a seamless world (for example in WoW, ShadowFang Keep was one of the most memorable things I have done) but I also find it fun to wander around the world, exploring, doing random quests, and outwitting (or defeating) enemy players at nearly any point of the adventure.

Instanced gameplay isn't for everyone. It's a great device for people like me who don't devote all their free time to it because the PvE in Guild Wars is extensive. The world is incredibly massive and its impossible to explore it all in under a month unless you're trying to rush through the game without enjoying it.

Quote:

The final reason (and pretty much the only one that matters) why I am playing WoW right now instead of Guild Wars is because it provides a massive experience for anyone, whether you play hardcore or casual, like to compete or cooperate, or if you like to solo or party. Also, I do believe that WoW has a suitable counter to GW's lack of monthly fees. WoW is easily the most system friendly MMORPG out right now. The cost of upgrading my computer to the GW specs can be the same as a good amount of monthly fees.

Maybe so, but then again it depends on how you're willing to play the game. If you're into roleplaying in an online RPG the instanced areas aren't really that big of a drag, seeing as how you can have eight people with you at any given time. However the MMO'er who often will solo or spends much of their time in combat, those people will be obviously turned off by guild wars. However since I was never fond of fighting millions of monsters to gain levels, Guild Wars is appealing to me for that aspect. Plus like you noted the structure of the mission-driven game simply wouldn't allow the entire would to be massively multiplayer. It's a double edged sword that ultimately puts your preferences on the line.

I don't mind playing massively online games at all, but seeing as how I don't like to pay monthly subscriptions for my games I think Guild Wars is the better choice for me on a personal level.

28 May 2005 - 11:46am

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Plissken

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I've started a character on my housemate's account. Look out for Spruce Jackson.

28 May 2005 - 9:19pm

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Considering there's a copy of this game going for 0.01 cents on EBay, I wish I could you guys. As my luck goes though, graphic cards aren't nearly as affordable.

30 May 2005 - 7:34am

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holloway

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Hey why don't we set up a guild? I'm getting it tomorrow cos I'm sick of Wow's fees.

30 May 2005 - 1:01pm

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Magi

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Really nano? Well, we've already started the guild. It has about 7 members so far, but about three of them aren't townies, so keep that in mind. Message either Heru Pale or Crux Crucis and we'll send you an invite to the guild.

30 May 2005 - 7:04pm

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Rajal Tikana

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I got the game yesterday Its an excellent game, and everyone needs to get it. *nod nod* I have a monk/necro named Saint Zayferia... though I'm not so sure about that secondary. I kinda wish I just stayed all out monk healing is my thing... I might remake her. *shrugs*

That wish will not come true. Even if you make it on your birthday.

31 May 2005 - 3:18am

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Erm not loaded it up yet due to the fact the disc has a dirty great chunk taken out of it (That's ASDA for you :gay: ) but don't you have to reacha certain place to have a group of 8? Or are a group and a guild different?

2 June 2005 - 6:56pm

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Hm, well, Yeah you do need to reach a certain place to have a group of 8. At the very beginning you can group with only 1 other person. There is no real need to group with more since everything is sinchy, excluding of corse the charr. After you leave the beginning area, and into the next part of the game; you will be available for a party of 4. It keeps incrementing by 2 each area it seems.

Groups and Guilds are in fact different. Groups are just people of any loyalty to any guild (or merely just friends who are not guilded) travelling together, completing quests, or what have you. Guilds on the other hand, is everyone sharing a common banner to identify them as part of a larger group (this can include benefits such as having a group of people you already know or will soon know to help you out when in need, global chat with your guild friends using the guild channel, guild hall, and GvG in the PvP once a guild hall is obtained.) Anywho, once you get loaded up, be sure to leave your character name so we can invite you into the guild, or try to PM Crux Crucis, Heru Pale or Jonothan Crowe in game.

2 June 2005 - 8:23pm

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PS pick warrior

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3 June 2005 - 2:53am

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Nah. Im a Primary Ranger and Secondary Elementalist and my name, this is what you get when yourr brther sneaks on during installation, Lavern Lacross.......:gay:

3 June 2005 - 5:33am

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Some popular choices during alpha were Warrior-Monk, Monk-Ranger and Ranger-Necro. Do these classes still kick more ass than any of the others? Warrior-Monks were practically indestructable, especially in PvP where they just took everyone down. Ranger was a great support class to Monk, so when not desperately trying to keep every other bugger alive, the monk could do some serious damage. Ranger-Necro was fun, too, being able to leech considerable amounts of health whilst multi-arrowing every other bugger to death.

3 June 2005 - 9:32am

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To my knowledge, depending on how you play, any class can be viable in PVP. I also know that they toned down somethings, while bringing up others in regards to strength, but I do not have specifics.

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3 June 2005 - 10:27am

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Mine works excellently.

I stand far away, cast a couple of firestorms on an enemy which nearly kills 'em, then arrow them while they are still far away.

Class. Plus any hits don't matter as rangers recover at double spee without spells!

3 June 2005 - 10:30am

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Thing I love about this game is the spells you get early on are the same spells you use at lvl 20. Ex. Firestorm.

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3 June 2005 - 4:50pm

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Magi

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Hey commie, why haven't you inquired about our guild yet?

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Warrior-Monks were practically indestructable, especially in PvP where they just took everyone down.

While there never is a win-all strategy, warrior/monks are VERY easy to take down with the right stuff.

Personally, I'd use power spike/spirit shackles in moderation on a warrior monk from a distance, and when the unsuspecting fool comes in close enough, a nice little signet of midnight will make sure he can't even lay a finger on me with his sword. If there were such things as a 1v1 PvP, the warrior would get smashed by this strategy.

Personally, I found the Monk/Mesmer character to be very promising. A monk with inspiration magic becomes that much more valuable to the team, as he'll be able to use mantras, as well as inspiration magic like energy drain, an incredibly valuable skill in combat.

4 June 2005 - 3:27pm

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I've been contemplating getting this for a while now, but I'm still hooked on Neverwinter Nights (Path of Ascension mod kicks butt). But I'm not sure if it's worth it. I mean, what's the whole concept behind it? Is it like Baldur's Gate when played online? You basically play the single player campaign, except instead of controlling 6 members, you only get 1, and the other members are other controlled by other people? Or is it more like... you become a member of a guild, then you go out and kill monsters maybe on the way to complete a quest, and if you run into a different party, you can go and kill them too?

How exactly does it work?

4 June 2005 - 3:55pm

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Well, I'm most liken it to Diablo II, online. Essentially, there is one main story arch split into however many missions there are in the game. The missions are discreet - travelling to them is instanteous (although one can take the long route), where upon you find yourself a group of people in an Outpost (it's a staging area for a mission), then enter. It takes you to an instanced mission where you and your party can interact with the environment to a limited extent, and unveils more of the story, also opening up subsequent missions in the story arch. There are also PvP missions, which is where Guilds are involved.

4 June 2005 - 4:10pm

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So, do you guys do the PvP thing, or the story thing?

EDIT: Ok, I have the game. I'll let you know how it turns out.

And how do I go about finding everyone?

4 June 2005 - 5:02pm

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holloway

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Well I'm in a guild, you guys wouldn't invite me , and we've got a HQ! Send me a message and we'll take you on!

4 June 2005 - 8:24pm

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Quote:

Originally posted by Magi+May 30 2005, 01:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Magi @ May 30 2005, 01:01 PM)[/CENTER]

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...Message either Heru Pale or Crux Crucis and we'll send you an invite to the guild.

[post=172241]Quoted post[/post]

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jakey@Jun 2 2005, 06:56 PM
...Anywho, once you get loaded up, be sure to leave your character name so we can invite you into the guild, or try to PM Crux Crucis, Heru Pale or Jonothan Crowe in game.

[post=172454]Quoted post[/post]

<!--QuoteBegin-Magi@Jun 3 2005, 04:50 PM
Hey commie, why haven't you inquired about our guild yet? ...

[post=172487]Quoted post[/post]

:tard: Are you daft? :tard:

4 June 2005 - 8:29pm

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Magi

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ohboy.

Actually, we're an RP guild. PvP without ascension isn't our style nor our desire. Also, bloodrose just message either Crux Crucis (myself,) Heru Pale (Jakey,) or Jonothan Crowe (Matkau,) and we'll send you an invitation into the guild if you'd like to join. It will be easier for you to find us and for us to keep in contact with you that way.

4 June 2005 - 10:06pm

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Fun game, I just don't play enough hah. I always find it hard to start playing, but when I finally get to it, it's alot of fun. I'm not sure as to whether or not I'll be able to play again after this summer so I may not be very beneficial in a guild. Depends on whether or not I get a new graphics card/get my current one fixed. My preference would be the first choice but that most likely/will not happen.

Anyway, I've made various characters, my highest level was 9 but I deleted him and now I have a lvl 5 Warrior/Mesmer named Adeon Arwes. I'll level some more tonight most likely, so look for me

Who could resist this....

4 June 2005 - 10:11pm

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Bloodrose

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Name's Rain Knightmaiden... Warrior/Elementalist=)

5 June 2005 - 1:10am

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Jakey

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Heh, that gives us 2 Warrior/Elementalists in our guild now. :v

Here is our current guild roster for those who are interested.
CNT denotes "Currently Not Townie". Such a person might be a guest or someone we found to be pretty cool to be with.

[Magi] Crux Crucis (Guild leader): Monk Mesmer

[Sai/Matkau] Jonothan Crowe (Officer): Warrior Elementalist
[Jakey] Heru Pale (Officer): Necromancer Ranger
--Also as Hrisskar Squiftquill: Ranger Warrior

[Rajal] Zayfer Emanuel: Elementalist Necromancer
--Also as Morriv Daeson: Monk Elementalist
--Also as Vill Daceb: Necromancer Ranger
[Bloodrose] Rain Knightmaiden: Warrior Elementalist
[The Grand Penguin] Ryo Oko: Elementalist Mesmer
[The Jacket] Micaiah Lemuel: Elementalist
[CNT] Uain Kavanagh: Ranger Monk
[CNT] Acheus Lokine:
[CNT] Alana Hawk:
<s>[Curt]Psylion Highwind: Elementalist Monk</s> Abandoned guild for "real life friends". We're not real enough for you huh Curt?

5 June 2005 - 1:16am

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Rajal Tikana

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Well! I've got three charas that I plan on keeping now XD

My Monk/Elementalist is Moriv Daeson

My Necro/Ranger is Vill Daceb

And finally, my Elementalist/Necro (yes I loves necroness ) is Zayfer Emanuel

Vill isnt outta pre-searing just yet, though I plan to pull him out along with Gimdin's character. I'll prolly be on later tonight again with one of the three.

That wish will not come true. Even if you make it on your birthday.

5 June 2005 - 8:18pm

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Bloodrose

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Ack, can someone reinvite me please?0.o

Rain Knightmaiden

5 June 2005 - 9:11pm

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Bloodrose

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As requested, some new cape concepts for the guild:

5 June 2005 - 9:16pm

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Sai(Matkau)

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I jsut now told you this in GuWa, but take the color scheme of the first one with the emblem of the second and I think we got some badness going on.

5 June 2005 - 9:58pm

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jakey@Jun 5 2005, 01:10 AM
<s>[Curt]Psylion Highwind: Elementalist Monk</s> Abandoned guild for "real life friends". We're not real enough for you huh Curt?

[post=172574]Quoted post[/post]

hrhrhrhrh the internet is a ruse. as am I. I am a ruse. I joined your guild to distract you and steal your stuff before leaving

and i would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you kids and that stupid dog!!

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