Everything.
You can't say everything about all FF sequels is bad.
There is usually some point they are at least average at. Oh and Vote!
newbish understanding.... :tard:
<!--QuoteBegin-Omega+Jul 14 2004, 11:50 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omega @ Jul 14 2004, 11:50 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->newbish understanding.... :tard:
Whos a retard. Oh it's a dodgy smiley. This is how you dp it:
:tard:
What puts me, personally, off Final Fantasy sequals is that the people who make them are just being plain lazy by not creating their own world and their own stories and their own characters. Its the easy way out for newbies to start on a project. Also, most Final Fantasy sequal (not all, mind) are really poorly done with bad dialogue and really bad map work.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ricky-K+Jul 14 2004, 01:20 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ricky-K @ Jul 14 2004, 01:20 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What puts me, personally, off Final Fantasy sequals is that the people who make them are just being plain lazy by not creating their own world and their own stories and their own characters. Its the easy way out for newbies to start on a project. Also, most Final Fantasy sequal (not all, mind) are really poorly done with bad dialogue and really bad map work.
Ricky-K please vote.
FF Sequels are not always lazy. Yes newbs often do them but even rpg makers as experienced as Kamau try them. they aren't always lazy they just don't meet the same standard as the originals which were made by a huge team.
My opinion is that the graphics are what pulls them down. FF's are some of the greatest games graphically and so need graphics of that standard to be a part of their world. :orly:
Yes, but Graphics are not the most important thing to a game. To me its the storyline combined with the gameplay. Look at the older Final Fantasy's they're all great games but they aren't graphically stunning, although they did come out a long time ago.
<!--QuoteBegin-nanotechmonkey+Jul 14 2004, 01:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nanotechmonkey @ Jul 14 2004, 01:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->even rpg makers as experienced as Kamau try them.
That is correct, although I'm pretty sure that it was one of his first projects, along with 'Faerie Child' (my favourite of Kamau's releases by far); i.e., his newbie stage 
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I don't think it matters how experienced the maker is. We have a certain prejudice against FFVII sequels to compels us to bash them before they're even released. This is because of our love for the original, and our belief that it can never be bettered by a sequel. Sequels for the most are vastly inferior to the original, and are normally nowhere as inventive: everything from 'Shrek 2' and 'The Matrix Reloaded' proves this; even going into sequels to concept albums (Rick Wakeman's 'Return to the Centre of the Earth' ain't exactly lauded). Was 'FFX-2' anywhere near as deep as the original?
If people take something you love and then try to extend it, although you anticipate the results greatly, you're more often than not going to be disappointed. In terms of RM2K sequels though, the graphics are inferior, the gameplay is inferior, and the story is inferior. The story was always going to be inferior, although the other 'assets' combined ensure an early grave to all FFVII RM2K sequels.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ricky-K+Jul 14 2004, 02:33 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ricky-K @ Jul 14 2004, 02:33 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes, but Graphics are not the most important thing to a game. To me its the storyline combined with the gameplay. Look at the older Final Fantasy's they're all great games but they aren't graphically stunning, although they did come out a long time ago.
Ah but for their time they were good.
Anyway I think storyline affects it as well; shown by the fact I voted for newbish understanding.
I got nothing against FF Sequels. It just show, how poor game author is. 
Everything its just like what Ricky-k said
People are just to lazy to make their own storylines
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Nothing against them. If they're bad, they're bad. I still say it's better just to create your own games though. :cool:
Aye, a good maker can create their completely own world, so they won't have their game compared to the original. Plus, the sequel storyline brings people who are stone-F*ing-dead back to life and other stuff like that. They just do it to change the original plot to what they which it was like. It completely ruins the memorable characters as well. That's why they aren't average.
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And muszack. If I hear One Winged Angel again in a game I will die.
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I'll go with the newbish misunderstanding though if its a first time game that
he/or she made I may understand. Though it is bad to make a sequel
that is doomed to fail from a comercial game.
<!--QuoteBegin-Curt+Jul 14 2004, 08:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Curt @ Jul 14 2004, 08:26 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And muszack. If I hear One Winged Angel again in a game I will die.
He he.....I should put OWA to my game.... 
<!--QuoteBegin-Sanovarak+Jul 15 2004, 09:16 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sanovarak @ Jul 15 2004, 09:16 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->He he.....I should put OWA to my game....
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I mean, If it actually is an awesome game and is worthy of the name final fantasy taged on to it, Go nuts. Cuz that's cool. But if some guy just made a quick crappy game and then tagged the name "T3H FNAL FASATY" on it, BOO-URNS!!!
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But if someone made a great game with RPG Maker, why would they want to tag FF to its title? If the game is good it'll do well. If it has FF tagged on it then it will come under fire because it is stereotyped as above. A game will do better without claiming to be a Final Fantasy.
Whats wrong with FF X or FF VII or FF VIII? Best RPGs out there for me........ oh well.
Once again I have to ask if you've been reading the whole thing. We're talking about the idea of sequel fan games, not the actual ones. 7 was pretty damn good.
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I always wished Kamau would finish his FF7: Ancestral Vengeance. Just because he was Kamau and because, at the time, it was the only one I knew of when I first found it, so I hadn't thought it had been overdone.
<!--QuoteBegin-Maxy+Jul 15 2004, 05:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Maxy @ Jul 15 2004, 05:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But if someone made a great game with RPG Maker, why would they want to tag FF to its title? If the game is good it'll do well. If it has FF tagged on it then it will come under fire because it is stereotyped as above. A game will do better without claiming to be a Final Fantasy.
Ah but a lot of people still play the games because they do not just automatically class them as crap. It is called Hope
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I think you'll find that the more experienced RPG Makers have given up hope on FF fangames. The community has been around many years now and we are yet to see a game with FF tagged on it to really stand up and say "Hey! Look at me! I'm not crap!". I think the number of Final Fantasy based games and the number of non FF projects started would be comparible. Trust me, keeping hope at this stage is not hope, it's naivity.
One of the closest things I've seen to being a good FF game was Endless Nova, but with a few ajustments it wouldn't of even been Final Fantasy.
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Everything: Mostly Newbish Understanding:
I haven't read all the posts, but if not stated I will state, and if stated then it will be stated again.
FF sequals are made by completely different people. People who have no real connection with the FF world. The reader of a book doesn't understand the book as much as the writer. The reader could guess what a character might do in a random situation, but the author could truley KNOW what that character would do.
SAME with video games. MOST of the FF series have been made with elaborate characters and a detailed story full of color and life. The player could enjoy the experience- yet not understand the depth of it... And if he/she DID understand the depth, he/she still might not completely know that character.
I do believe some people may be able to pull off a decent- or even good- sequal to a FF tital, yet I HIGHLY doubt anyone could truely bring the essence of the title like the creators themselves.
EDIT: btw I voted Newbish Understanding
<!--QuoteBegin-BustermanZero+Jul 16 2004, 03:22 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BustermanZero @ Jul 16 2004, 03:22 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once again I have to ask if you've been reading the whole thing. We're talking about the idea of sequel fan games, not the actual ones. 7 was pretty damn good.
Damn! Again I didn't read the whole thread (or understand it correctly). I would like to change my vote to Storyline then. Most of them try to continue from a story that has ended already. Can't make much out of it if you know what I am saying.
There is nothing wrong with sequels. Sequels do suck.
Just following on from the original at:
http://rpgtown.proboards2.com/index.cgi?bo...&num=1089716593